iMPRIMANTE 3D

Hello

I did some research on Lynkoa regarding 3D printers but I couldn't find an answer to my problem.

I would like to propose to my management the purchase of a 3D printer so that we have control over the production of control templates (which are currently made of aluminum) or other parts such as models of our products. (I work in a company specializing in wood and metal staircases).

The investment in such a machine will be linked to the gain it will allow us to obtain. So the more different pieces I can make, the more advantageous it will be.

In addition to the control templates that I would like to make, of which here is an example,

I would like to make suction cups to hold parts. Its suction cups have a diameter of about 160 mm for a thickness of 30 and to hold a piece, they can be 6 or 8 depending on the length (also currently made of mass-cut aluminum). of which here is a view.

My question is therefore will this kind of part made with a 3D printer be strong enough to be fixed on a machine, absorb the shocks related to the installation of heavy wooden parts and the blow of the mallet that an operator could give.

What type of 3D printer should I turn to?

With what type of ABS or other materials?

And for what cost?

Thanks to the person who can inform me

 

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Hello Franck,

A few additional questions to guide the answers:

  • How often do you plan to make parts? One per month, 4 per day,... ?
  • What precision do you expect on your templates (dimensional and geometric)?

When I see your first piece, depending on its size, I would fear that the 2 wings (bottom right), at their ends, will come apart or closer.

And for the second part, the suction cup, the risk is flatness to guarantee good suction, and... the general tightness of the part (porosity), although on wood your suction system must work at the flow rate, and not waterproof (vacuum pump and not venturi).

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Hello Benoit and thank you for the speed.

I estimate that we currently have about twenty different ganarits on 7 to 8 workstations, i.e. 160 templates spread throughout the factory.

This template is remanufactured at a frequency that I don't know at the moment either because of loss, or because it fell and suddenly no longer ensures its functioning.

Our degrees of tolerance oscillate between +- 0.3 mm so an accuracy of one tenth for the template is sufficient.

As for the suction cups, they work under a vacuum pump. In the drawing of the suction cup I  did not represent the seal on the periphery.

Another clarification.

With such a machine it would be possible for us to make much more control templates and faster.

For quality problems, I think that we have to go for controls much more by template than by measurement tools.

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Hello everyone,

I regularly use 3D printing to prototype. I'll tell you how I feel.
The printer we use is made of plastic wire. In other words, the printer deposits a continuous thread until the part is created.
For you I recommend powder printing. The difference is that the part is not porous. Wire prints allow water, air to pass through (the wires are not 100% soldered together. I paid the price when I wanted to do IP tests). In your case, you will not be able to use a suction cup.

For the material to use, go to a 3D printer seller, he will answer you.
(I've heard that printer manufacturers were starting to print metal too. But I didn't inquire about it.)

I don't know the cost of a printer. I couldn't help you with that.

In terms of accuracy, it's very reliable with + or - 0.2mm

As for your template parts, I will have a piece of advice, if you have to put guide pins like on your first drawing, replace it with a hole. Once the printed part has been printed, it will be necessary to place an axis on it. In wire printing, the axle cuts at their base when there is a force on it.

I hope I have helped you.

Good luck

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Thank you pierre.marie for this information.

I was thinking of a machine like the one you use (by ABS type fused wire).

As for the stud, currently even on our aluminum templates we already use screwed studs which allows us to change them if we want to modify the tolerances (by playing with the diameter).

As for porosity, it doesn't bother me....... because it is the post that costs us the most.

Apparently last year, we spent almost 20,000 euros on suction cups.

I'm going to see with suppliers if there are other materials than ABS that would be less porous for example.

Thank you again for this information, which will be useful to me.

Have a nice day

Ah! I would have thought that the material melting process would avoid this porosity. For my part, 3/4 years ago I had pieces made in powder frying (PA6.6 if I remember correctly). I think they were porous, because we had to paint them (so that it was less messy), and we had to go through several coats for it to be correct: the material drank the paint!

To continue with suction cups, what kind of gasket do you use? In the past I used Schmalz SPU suction cups (http://fr.schmalz.com/np/pg/produkte/ansicht?hier=155-171-191-82&art=2689&meta_tag_robots=true) and having changed the seals a few times, I can say it's not a walk in the park and you have to use screwdrivers or any other tool to remove them and put them back on. I'm not convinced that a powder fryer or FDM part often withstands this treatment.

There is a parameter not to be neglected either: a 3D printed part can have a very different behavior depending on how the interior is produced (powder sintering experiment): I have already had solid parts and others hollow and the resistance is totally different!

In short, all this to say, that to start, I would launch a few representative parts into manufacturing, just to see the rigidity of the parts and the maintenance of the desired tolerances. And this in several processes.

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See this link 

French Design Metal 3D Printing Machine

http://www.beam-machines.fr/fr/produits

for this kind of template I only see metal

but the price of this type of machine is very high

The advantage is that you create all the shapes according to the design of these machines

and which of + is it possible to repair these parts via 3D printing

so maybe turn to an owner of these machines to create the desired parts

have a nice day @+

Hello and thank you all for your help.

As for metal printing, I think it must be ideal, but the investment cost will certainly be too high compared to the gain, and moreover the material must be quite heavy (no possibility, certainly for a desktop machine).

Then it is obvious that I would have prototypes made by the manufacturer of the machine in the event that I myself have this study.

Thank you again and feel free to continue to provide me with your help on this project.

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For the budget, an interesting article has just been published:

http://www.lynkoa.com/actualites/une-aide-fiscale-pour-les-pme-qui-investissent-dans-l-impression-3d-interview-du-depute-j

Keep us informed of the progress of your project, it will interest others (me first, a project is in my head!). :-)

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And printing in Xt or PET, wouldn't that be enough?

Hello

It really seems to me that the prints I saw were waterproof, maybe because the accuracy has improved? I can ask the FABLAB.

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Lucas, what was the process of?

For precision, it is not so much that the machine is not precise, it is more that depending on the shape of the part, we can see shrinkage phenomena (as in welding, all things considered).

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 Hello.PL

If you could bring me more precision I'm interested and thank you all for your help

It was a classic FDM (fused wire) BCN3D printer. I'm going back to the fablab tomorrow, I'll ask.