How to Position a Bearing

In reality, the chain is used to roll up a bag. The two 25/50 sprockets rotate an axle or a bag is attached to pull it, in itself there is no big resistance, the bag itself must weigh 2 kg and the material inside must weigh 5 kg.

And the distance between the two axles is 460mm.

And at the same time I would like to know if for the circlips you should undersize the inner diameter. For example, I have an axle that is 12 mm in diameter, should I take a circlip of 11.7 mm in diameter?

Hello

For the clips if you don't make a groove on your axis, I offer you this type of clips.


Just slide on the axle, otherwise you have to go through a groove on the axle, I don't have the standards in mind anymore but if your axle is 12mm the groove must be 10mm mini.

1 Like

Hello
For your crank, the bearing you chose simple is a 1-row ball bearing
so it will bear that radial force.
Since my company manufactures bearings, I would rather advise you
To use a bearing with 2 ball track angular contact, which will allow you
to have as much a radial as an axial resistance.
After if you tell us the size of the crank axle and the bore where will be located
the bearing, I will already be able to switch to a type of bearing suitable for this function :slight_smile: and also know about the load that your bearing will eventually have to support

I remain available :slight_smile:

2 Likes

I slightly modified my system following the previous advice. But here's what it looks like now.

The crank shaft is 24 mm in diameter and the internal bore of the bearing is 25 mm in diameter and for the load I think it is only the mass of the chain and that of the crank, which must correspond to 50 N.

I added a widening to the crank so that it can be the same diameter as the bearing. It's up to you to tell me if it's suitable or not.

I'm not going to lie, bearings are not what I know best ^^'.

1 Like

humph! The landing is sized to lift an elephant, isn't it?
In addition I see a grease nipple which leads me to think that there is no bearing but a bronze or similar bearing.
Although we only see a very small part of the system, who says chain says protective housing even and especially if the second hand of the operator takes care of the bag. The CHST or other well-intentioned person will not fail to make a remark to you. :innocent:

Kind regards

2 Likes

Ahahah, I went to Norelem to do my research on the bearing, I took the one that had a larger diameter than that of my crank axle (also at Norelem).

But here are the technical details and the dimensions of it.


1 Like

For me, a bearing of this type alone is not mechanical, the bearing is oscillating like a ball joint to be self-aligning.
image
So nothing prevents the axis from rotating slightly here supplier doc as an example:
image
For me either 2 bearings or 2 bearings, bronze bearing but never a single bearing especially with a crank as a lever arm.

5 Likes

If I send you the 3D, would it be possible to show me the possibilities that can be optimal?

For me, put either a bearing on each side of the tube, or a bronze plastic ring or bearing, but in a quantity of 2 to have a longer guide and which prevents the axle from balluring.
Just like a bicycle crankset, the assembly includes 2 bearings.

The problem is that I don't have enough space to put 2 levels as shown in the diagram below.

image

I have to be able to implement a single bearing where a roller to hold the axis, that's why I had a roller (maybe oversized it's true). I don't know if it's possible or useful to put only one roller/bearing.

1 Like

dimension
What size do you have or I drew the black lines?

It will allow me to advise you a bearing for your new configuration
Diameter of the axle remains the same as what you told me?

Because in this configuration depending on the size of the 2 meter single row bearings

On the current configuration I have a distance of 50mm.

Hello
And with this kind of landing found at MISUMI,

The bearing assembly is inside the tube, you just need a bore + 2 inserts.

3 Likes

Hello

Maybe with a shaft completely through your profile you can put a bearing on each side to prevent the shaft from pivoting. Ideally, you should also determine the loads in order to be able to size the shaft and the bearings associated with it. Once dimensioned, it will be much simpler to design the system.

1 Like

I looked on my side,

I looked at the bearings at Misumi: Link bearing

What I can advise you, so two 1-row bearings
If there is a risk of dust: Choose with seals like this you can be sure that dust or other elements will not enter the bearing and it will allow you to avoid changing it

After that as I don't know the limit of the external diameter
I just filtered on the bore and gaskets, I hope the filter will still be active :slight_smile:

For the width you have to look according to the element where the bearing will be put :slight_smile:
do not take bearings with AIs wider than the AE preferably

I remain available

Following all your advice, here is what I managed to apply.

The sprockets that are fixed on the 25mm axle have a flat so that they cannot rotate around the axle and are blocked by circlips.
I positioned two bearings with a 25mm diameter bore by putting circlips on them adjusted at the end to hold the axle.

The whole thing is oversized but I prefer it this way.

If you have any remarks or comments, don't hesitate to let me know about them.

1 Like

For the bearing part, it seems much more mechanical to me.
For the pine nut, the flat worries me a little.
In general, to fix a pinion on a shaft, a key+ key groove is used
And instead of the circlips, a BTR locking screw on the pinion shoulder (as on the bearing ring) seems more appropriate to me

1 Like

It would be possible to have a Cut view at the level of the shaft to see the positioning of the parts and stops?

Otherwise at the belt level, have you thought about adjusting the belt tension?

1 Like

Hello;

I will add a (positive) shoulder on the shaft at the level of the second landing, you will gain two circlips... In addition to the groove/keyway drive offered by @sbadenis
(What is the distance between the two bearings?.. No doubt you will need to provide grooves (if they do not exist on your bearing holders so that the two bearings are coaxial...)

Kind regards.

2 Likes

Here are the tree-level section views


And concerning the chain tensioner I thought of putting one but I don't know if it can be really useful for the use that will be there.