"Homemade" PC configs to assemble

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Hello

 

I'm going back to my post from the CAD Hardware group.

Come on, rather than a long speech, I'll present you 5 configs, eco, start, premium 1 and 2 and dream for CREO/PRO or other!
These configs are all capable of starting heavy CAD... Of course, the student who does simple things with a limited budget will go for eco, and the surface and/or large assembly expert will go for premium/dream. The start config is intended for semi-professional/experienced amateurs who don't want to be limited too quickly.
These configs are based on Game-type motherboards. What for? Their assembly is neat, their components are at the top, are scalable, with a lot of possibilities and allow you to push the performance a little. For the RAM, I removed the ECC components, which are less justified on CAD than on simulation.
For the burners, boxes, power supply, screen, everyone is able to choose according to their configuration, and can of course ask for advice in any case.
It's just advice, I don't sell anything, I don't have any action.

ECO:
CM Asrock 990FX extreme3 =110 €
AMD FX6350 processor socket AM3+  = 130 €
CG quadro k600 = 220 €
RAM corsair dominator 8GB = 80 €
Samsung 840 SSD 120GB = 90€
HDD WD caviar blue 500 GB sata3 = 50 €

That's €680, to which we can estimate adding €500-600 for the case-power supply-burner-screen-mouse-keyboard
Budget around 1200€

START:
CM Asrock Fatal1ty Z77 pro =150 €
Processor intel i5-3570k socket 1155  = 215 €
CG quadro k2000d = 550 €
RAM G-skill sniper 16GB = 150 €
Samsung 840 SSD 250GB = 150€
HDD WD caviar black 1TB sata3 = 80 €

That is 1300 €, to which we can estimate adding 500-600 € of the case-power supply-burner-screen-mouse-keyboard
Budget around 1800€

PREMIUM 1, my favorite:

CM Gigabyte Z87X-OC = 500 €
Intel Core i7 4770K processor = 350 €
CG AMD FirePro W5000 2GB= 450 €
G.Skill Sniper 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR3 2400 MHz CL11 = 300 €
Samsung 840 PRO 250GB SSD = 210€
HDD Seagate barracuda 7200.14 2TB sata3 = 90 €

That's 1900 € to which we can estimate adding 600-700 € of the case-power supply-burner-screen-mouse-keyboard
Budget around 2500 € (less by having a cheaper CM like Asrock Fatal1ty X79 pro)

PREMIUM 2:

CM Asrock Fatal1ty X79 pro =280 €
Processor intel xeon e5-2620 socket 2011  = 400 €
CG quadro k4000 = 1200 €
Crucial ballistix 32GB RAM = 250€
Samsung 840 PRO 250GB SSD = 210€
HDD Seagate barracuda 7200.14 2TB sata3 = 90 €

That is 2400 €, to which we can estimate adding 600-700 € of the case-power supply-burner-screen-mouse-keyboard
Budget around 3000€



DREAM:

CM Asrock Fatal1ty X79 extreme11 =600 €
Processor intel xeon e5-2650 socket 2011  = 1100 €
CG quadro k5000 = 2300 €
RAM g-skill trident x-series 32GB = 500€
Samsung 840 PRO 512GB SSD = 420€
HDD velociraptor 1TB 10.000 rpm sata3 = 250 €

That is 5100 €, to which we can estimate 900-1000 € of case-power supply-burner-screen-mouse-keyboard
Budget around 6000€.

There you go!

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Great post and very helpful!

The best of the best would have been to add the different Creo licenses according to the uses (novice, pro...), because finding a price on it is in my opinion more complicated.

Thank you Cooper

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Thanks for sharing!

Personally, I had already started to build a PC for CAD (with the AsRock Extreme4 among others) but I had slowed down the project because of the budget and it dragged on afterwards... it makes me want to finalize it now!!

And a quick question if you've ever tested: is there a real advantage to installing two Graphics Cards in parallel?

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Oh well, that's not very hard :~)

 

Creo 2.0 base license (advanced foundation): 6000€ approx. Very complete, already allows you to do very very beautiful things. 2D, 3D, free-form, volumetric, surface, sheet metal etc... Enough for many!

ISDX extension license: about 6000€, one of the most efficient surface tools, with real-time modifications on complex multi-surface multi-curves. Very interactive.

 

There are very attractive packages depending on the needs, which can vary between €10,000 and €25,000, which can include reverse engineering, advanced assembly, parts management, etc.

 

Please note that annual maintenance of between 15 and 20% is not included.

 

For the graphics card, on the standard application on a classic screen, very little interest, especially since the budget of two average cards is often higher than a very good card. When you see the performance of an AMD W5000, or a quadro K2000 at 500 €, it's amazing! And I can tell you that we often mistreat them violently, given the complex surfaces we treat.

 

For the licenses, ask I will find the prices...

 

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Thank you@cooperS

For this very study of choice of home based PC

lack

-CPU frequency

-the Hidden Memory

-the n' Cores

The prices of the auxiliaries seem very light to me

very good choice of SSD, HDD 

I have a preference for Quadro GPUs

 

for SW   the frequency level is redundant  mini 3Giga

 

the number of cores

 - Important for CAD

 + important for the study, rendering

 

Superb the same thing for Laptops?

 

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gt22, I didn't want to pollute with all the information the list already provided... :)

 

For the auxiliaries, yes, I went to the mini, but anyway, with 600 or 700 € of auxilliary, you'll excuse me but you can already have quality elements... Screen 200-250 €, case 100€, power supply 100 €, burner 40 €, keyboard mouse 50€, cooling 20-50€ ... Of course, if you want an Eizo 24" and an Antec Alu case, it's not the same.... But that's not what makes the bouzin move forward.

 

For SW, the frequency level is prohibitive... How often? If it's the processor, it seems a bit weird to me... Frequency is not necessarily performance! Everything else is at least as important.

Look at the amd FX-8350 which broke frequency records, well they get picked up!

Creo is at least as greedy as Solidworks, and given what we do, I can assure you that nothing beats a balanced configuration. Going to buy a xeon for 600 € and only having a quadro 600 for 200 €, it's absurd and totally unbalanced.

 

And it's not necessarily for the home, I know and I've helped pros who are tired of being plucked by Dell or Hp, and who have switched to home made. Well, they don't regret it at all. And if I could do that for my 25 stations, I would. But the Dell contract doesn't allow it...

 

For laptops, it's more complicated, the configs being fixed. HP or Dell are very good.

I'll take a look at it.

 

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(Look at the amd FX-8350 which broke frequency records, well they get picked up)

You may be right but I have no info on it

 

I found it

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8350_and_fx_6300,3.html

 

but I didn't want to criticize your post in any way

just try to bring my small contribution

 

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But I absolutely didn't take it as a criticism, :~)!

We argue, that's all, dear GT22. No worries.

 

I often hear and read things that are a little wrong, so according to my own experience, I correct.

Besides, I may also have said stupid things. Solidworks, I know, but I don't use it on a daily basis, so well, any opinion is welcome!

 

For those who want to make home made PCs, don't hesitate to ask, it sometimes avoids paying hundreds of euros unnecessarily.

 

Same for Creo - Pro-engineer

 

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Please note that the I5 & I7 processors are not designed for CAD.

It is better to favor the E5 (Xeon): E5 1620, E5 1650 or possibly in Bi Proc: E5 2620

 

For graphics, Nvidia's advantage is the much more frequent availability and driver renewals than ATI AMD. 

 

Cdlt,

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Indeed, Intel sells us Xeon for CAD.

 

On paper, these Xeons are presented as the ultimate... In truth, they are often at an equivalent price supplanted by a Core i-7...

Be careful, it's great equipment, really top top and top-of-the-range. But some features are not of interest to the CAD user... As for saying that they are not designed for CAD, yes maybe, but what we ask of them for games in particular is very close to CAD!

 

You can check on:

 

www.proesite.com

 

the benchmark (test that lasts 3/4 of an hour, and which via an identical program, tests ALL aspects of the Creo software on each part, graphics, memory, disk, processor) is without appeal, unfortunately...

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An article created by a friend on another FOFO

 

Relationships between SolidWorks, the computer motherboard, and the graphics card

http://api.ning.com/files/VVDQpg6TmIaLTkPIf4pPJH1VqiTCB*ORyC3qb4Fvtp93FfXC*K6oPyUqXp66mFIcGAhwuFRZxlatTEvTeJX9TZnR7K02ZyBW/RelationSolidWorksCPUetGPU.pdf

 

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Well, back from vacation, a few laptops for the CAD.

It's not exhaustive! Note, that ALL manufacturers use core i5-i7 and not Xeon...

 

There is a big gap between the ASUS and the DELL, but all the laptops I found between 900 and 1700 € were too close to the ASUS to be worth it.

The MSI with 3 years warranty is for me an excellent choice, ultra complete.

 

ASUS B53V-S4050G

900 € TTC

 Intel Core i5-3230M

Ram:4 GB

500 GB disk

15.6" LED display

NVIDIA NVS 5200M

 DVD burner

Wi-Fi N/Bluetooth Webcam

Windows 7 Pro 64-bit / Windows 8 Pro

 

                 

DELL Precision M4700 Productivity

Price 2100 € discounted 1700€

 

3rd Gen Intel® Core™ i5-3340M processor (2.70 GHz Turbo, 3 MB)

Windows 7 Pro (64Bit) French

NVIDIA Quadro K1000M graphics card with 2GB GDDR3 memory

 39.6 cm (15.6") HD display (1,366 x 768) with anti-glare technology and LED backlighting

 4GB (2x2GB) 1600MHz DDR3

 500GB (7200rpm) 2.5inch SATA hard drive

 8X DVD+/-RW Slot Load Drive

 

MSI GT60 0NG-439FR

Price 1900€

 

 Intel Core i7-3630QM 8GB 750GB

 15.6" LED

 NVIDIA Quadro K2000M

 DVD burner

 Wi-Fi N/Bluetooth Webcam

 Windows 7 Pro 64-bit (3-year manufacturer's warranty)

15.6-inch widescreen display with Full HD resolution (1920 x 1080 pixels) and matte panel

8 GB DDR3 RAM (expandable to 32 GB)

Powerful 750GB hard drive with 7200 RPM (rotations per minute)

(3-year manufacturer's warranty)

 

 

DELL Precision M4700 Performance

Price 2 800€   discounted 2300 €

 

3rd Gen Intel® Core™ i7-3740QM processor (2.70 GHz Turbo, 6 MB)

Windows 7 Pro (64Bit) French

NVIDIA Quadro K2000M graphics card with 2GB GDDR3 memory

39.6 cm (15.6") UltraSharp™ Full HD display (1,920 x 1,080)

16GB (2x8GB) 1600MHz DDR3

128GB SSD Full-Height Mini Card

750GB 2.5-inch (7,200 rpm) SATA add-on hard drive

8X DVD+/-RW Slot Load Drive

 

 

HP EliteBook Mobile Workstation 8770w - 17.3" - Core i7 3630QM

3000 € TTC

 

Windows 7 pro

Intel Core i7 (3rd Gen) 3630QM / 2.4 GHz ( 3.4 GHz ) / 6 MB Cache

8 GB DDR3

750 GB HDD / 7200 RPM + 24 GB SSD cache

DVD SuperMulti / Blu-ray

17.3" Full HD LED backlight wide angle of view anti-glare 1920 x 1080 / Full HD

NVIDIA Quadro K3000M - 2GB GDDR5

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Hello

 

whatever the configurations proposed by Pa Cooper, integrate a SSD HDD (~100€) into your config. It boosts almost all the functions of a PC.  

 

I gave a second life to my PC just by changing the HDD to SSD(microsoft index before: 5.4, after: 7.0). And you put a classic HDD for pure storage.

 

Have fun!

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That's right! The SSD on the laptop is almost an obligation (see dell config). But this is not always offered, and you have to do it yourself.

 

Thank you for the remark.