Unfolded beam, welded construction profiles bent to lay flat

Hi all

I have a whole frame made in welded construction (IPE140), some beams are sketched on an arc because they will have to be bent. However, I must be able to extract the flow rates from the " beams " to send them to the tube laser (before bending)

My question:
How do you develop, unfold, decintend, ..., in short: flatten a curved profile, in order to generate a linear step of the body?

I provide a simplified example:


UPE hanger to unfold. SLDPRT (259.0 KB)
UPE hanger to unfold. WWTP (306.6 KB)

Thank you in advance for the answers!

Hello
Not possible without going through the sheet metal module, but that would be of no interest in your case.
When we send beam bending or other profiles to be subcontracted, the step or even only a 2D plan is enough for the subcontractor. He manages and thus he is the one who takes responsibility for the conformity of the delivered part to the plan. The "benders" all have their methods with or without numerical control.
Have a nice day

Hello;

I agree with @Le_Bidule (it's a strange sentence...).

  • The easiest way is to convert your bodies into sheet metal.
  • With us, we only send our bender the plan of our finished element, we don't unfold it (or with the mention "only for information"). It is up to the supplier to adapt the Vé and bending radii according to his material (not to mention the losses in folds, elongations, etc.).

Kind regards.

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The same goes for us, as a finished element only, the subcontractor then manages to develop according to its tools and software.

Hello @icome

Happy to see you back with us :grinning:

To at least have an idea of the flat flow rates, I propose the following solution.
For your problem and only who are IPEs then make the curve on the theoretical location of the neutral fiber and then do a scan of the IPE profile.
With the Trajectory function and then the trajectory length dimensioning, you get the length of what is similar to the neutral fiber.

This should hold up if the angles of curvature do not exceed 45°, beyond which the narrow stone becomes a sharp matter. (Solidworks does not calculate the shrinkage in this specific case AMHA

Sorry I can't help you more.

That said, I would like to have @ac_cobra_427's opinion on the problem of the shrink and also for the material removal of the laser but by placing the trajectory in relation to ???

Kind regards

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Another small precision, LASERTUBE machines tubes but not beams to my knowledge.
The solution for holes and oblongs is milling, rather before bending, it depends a little on the precision of their position.
Regards

Hello @Zozo_mp

Indeed the bender will do it much better!
But this is an example for internal fab and to push the reflection in solidworks!

Going through the sheet metal module does not suit me "UPE or UPN" = non-constant thickness.

I tried hacks via the flex deformation function, but I was unable to end up with a straight beam!

The solution may be to make a PRS with 3 sheets made with the sheet metal module and assembled, which will allow them to be unfolded and to make dxf for the laser eventually.
Let's see what the community thinks
Regards

In case you really want to unfold your profile, an (old) tutorial lying around on the Visiativ website:
https://mycad.visiativ.com/contenu/astuce-pour-déplier-un-fer-rond-0

Kind regards.

Hello

Look at my parts for lasertube if it can help you.
In the old company where I worked, we had our machines to do profile bending so a big advantage for the workers in the box.
Creation of a folded and then bent sheet metal part. SLDPRT (397.2 KB)
tubular frame 30x30x2 in sheet metal.sldprt (317.0 Kb)
tu 30x30x3 sheet metal a135deg.sldprt (186.7 KB)
How to make a fold-out coil by configuration. SLDPRT (6.8 MB)

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For an IPE/IPN you have to go in the opposite direction; make a rectangular profile that unfolds then do the material removal of the openings and then do the material removal of the profile see PJ
Fold-out UPN. SLDPRT (236.8 KB)

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The passage through the sheet metal module is therefore inevitable...
Nevertheless, a nice trick for the unfolded UPN!

Unfortunately, if you take into account from the very beginning of the design process, you lose all the advantages of welded construction functions.

Thank you for your participation @ac_cobra_427

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There is also the option to remove the curved area, add an extrusion of the UPN profile of the unfolded length of the curved part, and move the body with constraint to put it back to the end.
It's still a good big hack, but functional:
image

In any case, there is no simple solution to make this unfolded, it will go through the " Hack +++ " box! :rofl:

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@sbadenis

You're right, "Hack" is the best engineer in the world. (I'm a lot of travelers, I can assure you that it's a universality that saves the day in many cases).

It should be recognized as a World Heritage Site by UNESCO
It would take a large square or a commemorative plaque with an annual anniversary.

We could also pay tribute to the local demerdologists who implement the precepts of the hack.

Cdlt

Hello
why not use the " Length " property of mechanically welded profiles?


Then, in a nomenclature, retrieve and add the separate lengths of the straight and curved areas.
image
In my example 2x1000+1x488.69=2488.69mm
I've never checked but I guess it's pretty accurate. I don't know if we can have the total length (without the decomposition). It must be enough if the goal is to have the flow rates before bending.

I found how to get the total LG without decomposition. You have to check the merge of the segments.
When creating the welded construction, this box must be ticked


We get the total lg directly

I don't know if that's the desired result.