Hi everyone,
I've been working on SW for a few years now and frankly it's great!
It's great when you can exchange with customers/suppliers directly in 3D! We send a little parasolid and presto, the exchanges are fast!
On the other hand, when it comes to making plans, it's frankly a disaster! It's slow, it's full of bugs...
Do you think that one day we will finally be able to free ourselves from 2D?? Communicate only in 3D, even to manufacturing?
We can't wait for the future!!
YES, with some subcontractors I no longer send 2d but step files in clear I communicate only with 3d. so no more 2d pdf dwf dxf.
May the force be with you
Hello
I don't see how to do without it completely: surface conditions, tolerances on the coasts, geometric tolerances etc... do not appear on 3D as soon as they are migrated to a format other than the native!
But I agree with you, sometimes it would really be the kick; what time would we gain....
No more paper all virtual, that's the head start we need ;-)
Send the file directly in your format and the recipient
opens with what he has on hand among others One Shape or other
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Hello
there is 3D dimensioning now, but a plan remains a legal document in case of dispute.
It's true that it would be a good idea, and ecologically speaking too!
Hello
It's the same for me; I only send STEP or 3D pdf or edrawing .exe. For the drawings I send the pdf and dxf. But personally I don't have a problem when I receive WWTP to do the drawings.
The future...
Surely it will not be far away.
But Factory 4.0 will see 3D without 2D.
I'm sure!
But it's hard to imagine a 3D dimension chain.
And many other subtleties
Apparently it's now! :-)
SolidWorks has already thought of this. SolidWorks MDB is made for this: http://www.solidworks.com/sw/products/technical-communication/solidworks-mbd.htm
Hello
Knowing that 3D printing is expanding rapidly, 2D will become obsolete.
All the pieces I draw to be printed have no plans, phenomenal time saving!
It's true that we are exchanging more and more in 3D format, whether for 3D printing, digital machining or other...
There is already a new 3D drawing tool with solidworks MBD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4NjtgOhErs
On the other hand, even if I like new technologies, I think it would be regrettable to do without 2D. There are already more and more people who no longer know how to read a 2D map! However, it is essential, whether for coast chains, tolerances, adjustments, surface finishes, annotations, cuts, nomenclatures, etc. Drawing remains the heart of the mechanic's job with a very high added value, even if I admit it can be long and boring.
Mouaif, 3D printing has its limits too, it all depends on the field of activity.
I sometimes make prototypes in 3D printing (plastic) and I find that the surface finishes and precision are below what can be achieved in machining.
This is very practical for having parts quickly, but they must be taken back for threads, bores or sliding surfaces. This implies providing clamping areas in the vise for the rework of these machinings and the precision can be reduced.
Maybe I'm too old school, but without a plan, how do you tell the difference between a Ø6 hole and a Ø6 F7 hole?
When a customer sends me a complete building in step that I have to transcribe into folded sheet metal, I curse him^^
To take it side by side, piece by piece takes a long time.
Whereas a side plan is much faster to read than a 3D one.
How do you weld the parts, what tapping, what finish etc... And the flow nomenclature.
All the information is more readable in 2D
We've been following 2D plans for hundreds and hundreds of years, and it's not for nothing.
After I think it depends on the field of application, but in our case, we prefer 2D for the fab and 3D for the design (see assembly problems etc...)
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The problem of multi-software designs is not the issue at all.
Adjustment dimensions or geometric tolerances can appear in a 3D in the same way as surface finishes.
@tomalam
it was to answer @ Bart on the file conversion problem step
edited just before my message ;-)
in the construction industry, BIM is becoming a reference
so to be able to take the values and geometry of these said designs in another log
is in my opinion a great step forward in the field of information exchange
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I think that for a model reading done directly in 3D it's still quite complicated today if the plane is "hairy" in ribs.
We should evolve the drawing rules that are still essentially adapted to the drawing board and rethink everything directly for 3D.
For example, to see the references of a part (A, B, C, ....) we must be able to filter this by seeing the surfaces in "actions", i.e. in their assembly context (in transparency) to better understand the why of the refs.
And many other examples like this come to mind...
Thank you Gt22 =)
I have already made inquiries. Great software, but super expensive! At the same time he does everything ^^
Here, here is the 3D, I need the price quickly and launch the production! Xd
A lot of work for not much in the end......
@ Bart it smells like ITE in your story
it may be that I wouldn't have done
it may polute the installation
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Yes, sorry, an off-topic fear compared to the basic question...
For your information, it's a connecting splint, or a slipper or a slipper ^^ it all depends on what you call it but it doesn't bother you at all for the installation:p
It's good for ITE, it's our specialty:D