Topsolid V7 or inventor?

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Hello

As version 6 of topsolid is now outdated, the migration for my company is underway,

But version 7 seems so far removed from version 6 that it amounts to a software change.

In addition, I have some negative eco from those who have made this migration.

For an equivalent budget, what would you advise me Inventor or topsolid v7.

 

Thank you in advance for your constructive answer because the investment budget is still important.

Kind regards

Terms and conditions of use, Design Manager of an SME.

 

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Hello

As there are not many people, here are some links about software choices while waiting for other opinions :

http://www.lynkoa.com/forum/3d/en-2015-sw-versus-pro-e-creo-solid-edge-topsolid-inventor-catia-zw-cad

http://www.lynkoa.com/forum/3d/y-t-il-du-monde-sur-topsolid

http://www.lynkoa.com/forum/topsolid/topsolid-7

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Hello, personally I don't have any knowledge about topsolid but if you have any questions about Inventor, don't hesitate :)!

Regarding the questions to ask yourself when choosing between 2 softwares:

- Who is the dealer? Is he serious? Will he be able to accompany you even in the difficult phases of migration?

- Do you have a CAD chest? (e.g. ePDM) - In the case of a design office with joint projects, it quickly becomes interesting to have PDM software

- Also make the comparison between social networks: For example, the French-speaking community of Inventor is very inactive compared to the SolidWorks community (even on the official forums) - So will you have the answers you need at the right times?

That's it for me for the moment:)

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An important question: do you have a history of files to take over?

It should be noted that you will never recover your entire files with a change of software (except in very rare cases)...

What will be the cost of a remodeling/redrawing?

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thanks to the three people who tried to answer my questions,

But none of them really answers my concerns.

in short to answer your questions above

Both offers and resellers are serious.

No common project, each cartoonist exchanges but does not work at the same time on the same project.

The SOLIDWORKS forum only talks about SOLIDWORKS.

The file history to be resumed is not recoverable in either case.

No bridge between the old and the new Topsolid version. (as far as I can understand ;-))

 

so here I am impatiently waiting for the opinion of a user the V7.

Kind regards

Terms and Conditions of Use, Design Manager of an SME

 

 

 

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Hello 

The questions we have asked you are intended to guide you on the questions you need to ask yourself in order to choose the appropriate solution. For my part, these are the questions that I studied in order to choose between SolidWorks and Inventor.

"The SolidWorks forum is all about Solidworks."

It's normal that the Solidworks forum only talks about SolidWorks, but can you find on the internet as much documentation and help in French on TopSolid V7 as on SolidWorks? For my part, it allowed me to put an extra point for SW compared to Inventor.

 "The file history to be resumed is not recoverable in either case."

Have you thought about transition formats? There are step, igs, stl, etc... These formats can allow you to transfer components from one software to another while losing the building trees and the associated parameterization.

That's it for me:)

But we also expect V7 users!

 

 

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A question that will interest you strongly I think:

http://www.lynkoa.com/forum/solidworks/que-pensez-vous-topsolid-design-partie-conception

 

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And another one here:

http://www.lynkoa.com/forum/topsolid/topsolid-7

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And on another forum:

http://cadxp.com/topic/6805-choix-difficile-topsolid-vs-solidworks/

But WARNING, this topic is 10 years old, since then computers are more efficient and software has changed!

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the second link to topsolid7 is concluded by Julien POIROT, an employee of missler who has been demonstrating since 2012...

I don't see it well confirming the dysfunctions that some real users report

;-).

I didn't choose Solidworks because they are not at all placed compared to the other 2 offers.

Kind regards

Terms and conditions of use, Design Manager of an SME.

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Ah, indeed, your remark is very relevant :)!  

Well, let's hope there are Topsolid users here then....

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The price difference between an Autodesk and SolidWorks package was indeed quite significant when we analyzed the 2 solutions.

Autodesk had prices 20% lower than SW. But this year's policy from Autodesk is quite dangerous, you will no longer have perpetual licenses on your workstations. That is to say, if you buy Inventor 2015, you will have to pay for each use (see link: http://www.autodesk.fr/products/perpetuallicenses?mktvar001=642525&mktvar002=642525)

There has also been a fairly significant increase in prices for these new licenses, hence the price catch-up between Inventor and SolidWorks.

Concerning TopSolid, I have no data .... but I seem to have heard a few years ago that the price of TopSolid was significantly lower compared to other solutions ... Let's see if it's still relevant:)

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Today after a long negotiation, Topsolide is ready to offer these liscences if you sign for a training course at a price 3 to 4 times higher than the other training...

basically we include the purchase of the software in the training budget ;-).

Inventor still has the possibility to sell hard reads, but does promote the other solution mentioned above.

The difference in budget between the 2 solutions is 10 to 15%.

so even if you have to choose a solution... you might as well take the one that is the most efficient.

 

Kind regards

Terms and conditions of use, Design Manager of an SME.

 

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Good and perfect then :)!  

Courage in your CAD migration!

Let us know about your adventure and what you think of V7 in a few months, it might be interesting for other users!

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Hello

Sorry to be really lagging behind for my answer.

Former company manager for 18 years with a design office of 6 people, we had TopSolidV6 & V7, Inventor and SolidWorks with draftsmen trained on 2 software maximums, including myself (TopSolid & SolidWorks).

The first thought I would have is how easy it is to get the Hotline at Missler and obviously their great mastery of the software since the people who respond are in the immediate vicinity of the developers, which is not the case with other providers. Also, any requests for changes or improvements  that you may have are really handled with a follow-up of these, here again Autodesk and SolidWorks or their resellers are not in the race.

After 18 years of managing my company, I recreated an independent design office as the only employee, I had to make a choice, on the one hand  SolidWorks more widespread (see the community), Inventor and TopSolid with effectively the non-recovery with the project tree in V6, my choice finally fell on TopSolid for the reasons already mentioned above, The problem of non-recovery being common to all three software anyway.

Now after 3 years of existence of my new company I still do not regret my choice, moreover a little cocorico by the way having favored a French company.

Hoping to have helped you

Sincerely,

PB 

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Hello Christophe,

Like you (you), I take care of a design office of 8 people, we have been working on topsolid 6 since 2001. We drew on V 6.4 up to 6.9 (in 2008). 

Topsolid is full of good things, it's a very good software there's no doubt about it. Missler is a French company that makes quality products. We have a single point of contact for training, placement, hot-line etc... This is an undeniable plus. If, like us, you want to control NC machines, then it remains the best choice because CAM is  directly integrated into CAD. On the other hand, the additional modules are still expensive and may not be up to the level of those of Catia, but there is already the essentials in Topsolid.

Missler's commercial policy was to sell the V6 at a high price, then to charge an annual maintenance contract at a high price. For an SME of our size, this budget was difficult to keep, but with the arrival of the crisis in 2008, it was no longer possible to subscribe to it.

I know that we have to pay developers well and consider the future of products at Missler as well as at Solidworks and Autodesk. In short,  that's not the debate. The fact remains that since then we have not upgraded Topsolid mainly because version 6.9 suited us.

Since the arrival of V7, we have been asking ourselves the question of migration very often and moreover because we are faced with an aging software that is becoming more and more penalizing.

I'm convinced that the V 7 is a good design solution that has nothing to be ashamed of in front of the competition, especially once skimmed off all these bugs, which must start to be the case since the V 7.8 has been released. On the other hand, we are afraid, like all BEs, of having to take over all the files created in V 6. A sore point that is increasingly lacking in the V 6 is the PDM with its safe and as advantages: an organized PDM, finally allowing an easy search in projects.

The V6 is seriously starting to age and the jump to the V7 must make the 2 versions coexist in parallel: the v6 to continue to open and update old projects while for new projects or projects requiring a significant evolution the V7 becomes the best choice?

This is what I envisage for our BE.

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Hello

We have in the company about 120 Topsolid programmers on version 6

It was considered to move to version 7 but this was abandoned due to the too many serious problems encountered

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Hello

Although I don't use TopSolid and reading your post, I still find it hard to believe that there is no backward compatibility between two versions.

Backward compatibility and the immutable rule for all software of all kinds and even more immutable for CAD software.

If TopSolid were to break up completely, it would be like shooting itself in the foot or committing suicide.

On the other hand, what publishers do not hesitate to do is to change the ergonomics and certain logics of use. But this requires additional training or a fortnight of adaptation but never redesign of the entire stock of 3D and MEP drawings

It should also be noted that the changes in logic are in principle only made on new features  and rarely if ever on functions that have been used daily for ages.

Your TopSOLId sales representative must be able to explain to you in detail the progress on the product and above all to positively sweep away your fears.

Kind regards

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It smells like the Top Solid post digging up in full nose, it's the 2nd today 

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