Hello and best wishes for this year 2024.
I don't know Creo at all, but here I came across this article.
Creo would be 48% cheaper than SW but is it as efficient?? When I say efficient I disregard the bug case that comes with it
The debate is open.
May the force be with you.
Or not... it's a safe bet that this heavy excess baggage is precisely what will tip the scales in CREO's favour.
Best wishes @OBI_WAN May the Force be with you.
Hello,
My tests, in general, are done at the level of sketches and the way constraints are managed, in general that's where I Bug ^^ where under SW it's fluid (despite some bugs... what? again?)
After having, under SW, that we have gotten used to having a custom menu with the mouse without having to cross the entire screen it also helps with the choice.
Tested on Fusion, ZW3d and Freecad.
Like all software, it looks good when you see what you can do with it, but in use... well when they are on the same basic functioning.
A small example by the way:
While watching a video on ZW3d they were proud to show a video of their new version of the repetition tool which goes from several minutes to 30sec, wouaw time divided by 10.
I said to myself, this is cool, I'm going to do the same thing under SW... It took 4 seconds to generate the function. (the part was a sheet metal to be perforated to make a grid)
So do tests and compare.
Hello
It would be interesting if someone could find out more about it, but a priori SW will be at the level of Creo "Design Advanced Professional" and not "design essentials".
At the time, each module was paid for on Creo, whereas the cost of SW is fixed (except for the finite element calculation part or other more advanced software such as PDM).
Their "Premium Design" seems similar to "Solidworks Premium".
It is unlikely that a company will be able to settle for "design essentials" (which is surely the basis for price comparison).
Hello
Good question, this subject interests me because I asked myself the same question.
So if there are people who have worked on both software or who have taken the step of changing CAD software, I'm interested in their experience.
Thank you!
I, I, I worked with both!!
And... I can't answer you. In fact, the whole time I used Creo (8 years old), I was cursing at it and regretting Solidworks! Now that I'm back in Solidworks, the advantages of Creo jump out at me.
In fact, the big difference is that Creo is parametric. That is to say that you can manage pretty much EVERYTHING as an option. And that's pretty cool.
But as a result, it also requires much more rigor in the way it designs and works!
48% difference for software that is a priori close in terms of features, it seems huge to me.
When @OBI_WAN want to switch to the CRE O'bscur!
A colleague at work who had made the step to SW had said the same thing as @coin37coin, Creo requires more rigor (with the advantages and disadvantages), SW is freer.
and it allows you to manage an impressive amount of options... which is a bit frustrating afterwards when taking over Solidworks.
Honestly, and I didn't think I'd say it one day, I think Creo is much more powerful for a cartoonist (names you can call in the MEP, a 3D dimension you can call in a note in your 2D, family tables that you can manage AND generate easily, you can make "symbols" easily and recall them, not too disgusting surface ... etc etc)
Good evening everyone.
I have been working in Be Meca for more than 25 years (different sectors of activity)
I started CAD with Proeng (creo for several years).
Since 2019 I have been working under SW and the switch from Creo to Solidworks was easy: the design philosophy being the same. For the record, Proeng existed long before solidworks, and we owe the creation of solidworks to two former engineers of parametric Technology (creo) which probably explains why it is easy to switch from one to the other. To know the 2 softwares what I can say is that creo is more suitable for the surface, that it requires more rigor (so it is more stable). Regarding the 3d dimensioning, it is a real parametric software and that it exceeds sw in drawing. However, SW is a very good tool, we owe it the multi-body (the multi-body and appeared only recently on creo) and I think it is better suited to the special machine sector. Finally I find it hard to believe that today creo is cheaper than sw since it has always been the opposite.if tomorrow I had to go back to creo I think I would surely regret sw as I regretted creo the day I had to use sw.
Hello @OBI_WAN , hello everyone
I still have a cobblestone on hand! So I throw it in the pond (PLOUF°)
I give my point of view on two points.
1°) to change CAD software you need to have very solid arguments because the investment to master the new software is much more important than it seems.
When I see that a lot of topics on this forum are about configurations and other joys of the genre and also all the macro packages that compensate for a whole bunch of needs not included in the basic software (that's why there are also mycad-tools), it is also to be taken into account it seems to me.
The big weakness of SW is that all the needs that we see in the requests made on the forum, especially in terms of macro, do not exist and this is where we can ask ourselves why, if these functions are really useful, why these features do not exist as standard.
(FYI I abandoned Inventor for SW and I don't regret it, especially Autodesk's hateful policy).
2°) I believe that the future is not in stand alone versions but in versions in the clouds.
For me, the local version, even if it is likely that it will continue to exist and be updated for at least five years, no longer has any future on this time scale
SW in the cloud exists, I have tested it partially and when this version will have the same level of functionality as the stand alone version, (and we can dream without its procession of bugs) then the cloud version will become the reference. It's a safe bet that in one to two years, AI will be more or less present in the cloud version. It will be interesting to see in which cases it will really be useful.
Holds to the fact! All this will be done without me
To pluche
Ba using AI to fix bugs would be a good start.
I know that if I don't find functions like Split, or make sketches without it being a headache with constraints, it's not worth it.
The families of parts are also an important point (without excel for my part)
The tree of creation is also stupid but it's important to be able to go back or have a good reading of your play.
It's actually a set of basic functions that will immediately block or not my choice on a software or not.
It avoids ending up with this new software and saying to yourself at some point... like I'm doing here?? I'm stuck.
EDIT: I forgot... the personal menu with the mouse... obligatory.
Bjr,
First contact with Creo sales representatives.
-From what they tell me it seems interesting to dig into, I'm going to speak in the conditional because I haven't had a demonstration yet.
-The basic license " T1 " would be the equivalent of SW Premium.
-creo can open solidworks but without a tree structure on the other hand if a modification of this part is made since SW Creo updates.
-The management of large ASM as well as the drawings would not be a problem.
-it seems that SW migrations to CREO are more and more common, many people would refuse the pressure of DS to go to 3Dexperience.
-A date for a demonstration will be made.
That's what I can say today.
to your comments.
May the Force be with you
Hi Obi_Wan.
It's a fascinating subject to set up. Several points to answer you:
- indeed, you can open Solidworks with Creo ... but it's still a step. And I wonder if the opposite is not true by the way (If some people have the possibility to check?)
- For the management of big asm: they can promise what they want. As long as you don't have YOUR assemblies in it, it's a promise of :) policy. For example, when I was making vehicle axles, Créo could be struggling. Whereas when I was making a mussel carcass, no worries. It depends on how you build your rooms and how you understand the construction tree.
On the other hand, for the drawings, very clearly, I find them more advanced than Solidworks. More closed and less tinkering too, but it goes hand in hand I think - Cool for the date. Ask them for more complex assemblies than those they can offer you naturally. To see if they can't prepare something with your models?
Personally, I'd try to have it on trial for a month to really get a good look at the functions and your cases
Subsidiary question: do they offer you a PLM with or without? Your Creo experience can change dramatically with
Good luck with the choices and have fun making them go crazy
Thank you for your comment that moves the subject forward.
Yes, I am aware that a salesman aims to make the sun shine.
I'll wait for the demos to position myself.
On the other hand I'm not going to let them do their STD demo for me, I know our problems and believe me I'm going to put them in trouble with our own worries.
" indeed, you can open Solidworks with Creo..." but it's still a WWTP "
Yes but what is interesting is the update in case of modification of an SW part in Creo. so if it's really efficient in the drawings we can imagine having 1 or 2 creo for the management of the fat asm and drawing.??
I'm sorry @OBI_WAN , but I didn't really understand the question about having 1 or 2 Creo.
On the other hand, having a STEP that you then modify, I'm never too much of a fan. And very quickly, I think you'll be able to redraw them in your future software too. It's much more convenient to evolve a hole size
Hello,
I stayed at:
- A sales representative has tried to reach you.
- We remind you ... but no answer.
- Then an email with the tutorials
- And lately an email to say, thank you for testing Creo during this trial period
ALL THIS WITHOUT HAVING HAD THAT DAMN LINK TO DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE!!
So a bit of a face, at least from a very closed point of view.
Sorry to see that it's progressing on your side @OBI_WAN , I'll have to hit the nail on the head